Originally by: Bedrock

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You fail to see the concept of "support" ships and their role.

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Originally by: Parallax Error

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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa

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YOU fail to see the lameness of blob tactics. A two year old player loses to 2 noobs? That is NOT balanced.

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Repeat after me 10 times:

"This is not WoW, time played does not give me an automatic right to win against people who have played less than myself"

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Originally by: Crellion

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Devs are looking for new roles for tech II ships. The above posts contain I think a good idea. Give them slightly better than existing BS stats but also add the ability to fit 1 of these clusters (say equal to 3x150II rails but without bonuses)in the utility highslot. This would not make them teh uber in fights against other BSs - HACs while making them far superior crafts. You would pay a stupid price but with seeding a BS group with 20% of these BSs would man you have less need for antifrig support (and the actual BS gun dmg to large ships can also remain identical with tech 1 counterparts but at close range the "cluster" will add 100dps or so against the large targets as well).

So they are not teh uber but clearly more adaptable to different situations, more valuable to groups and very expensive so that only the 2003 players that can fly them (initially) can afford them anyway. You d also add the skill -lvl4/5- Turret Multitasking Interface or something to be able to use the clusters anyway and other than those they woould be like todays empire faction BSs ...

[yes it would also make lvl4s easier but hey those that have these skills solo them today as well anyway]

LOLZ all in all I think a good idea! (after 7 months of shamelessly trolling the forums )

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Currently, if you feel the need, you can fit most any BS to be lethal to small groups of frigs. Most people evidently feel that that role is not important... that frigate packs are not a significant threat... otherwise they would do this.

Standard fitted BS have the distinct advantage over frigates if the engagement starts at range (as it should be), and tend to get into trouble if those small fast ships get in under their guns (again, as it should be).

If you want to take on packs of small ships in your BS, fit for the occasion.
If you want to be deadly to other BS, fit for the occasion.
If you want to do both, your going to have to make hard decisions.
And therein lies the fun.

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Originally by: BlueSmok

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Simple Suggestion, How about letting the ship skills affect Gun sizes that are below it? +5% damage mod to large projectiles, changed to +5% bonus to projectiles, Medium and Small. That way the Battleships that want to fit for anti Cruiser/Frigates aren't sacrificing their large gun bonuses.

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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa

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If CCP did this today I would promise to be a good boy, eat my broccoli and say a prayer every night. Honest!

Originally by: BlueSmok

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Simple Suggestion, How about letting the ship skills affect Gun sizes that are below it? +5% damage mod to large projectiles, changed to +5% bonus to projectiles, Medium and Small. That way the Battleships that want to fit for anti Cruiser/Frigates aren't sacrificing their large gun bonuses.

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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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It makes perfectly sense, that small shops up close pick off big sluggish ships.

If you dont want to be in that situation, get some escort ships, or fit for the occasion.

It will alwasy be a tradeoff, imagine if you could fit your bs, to tkae on every role at onece, it would be invincible in small skirmishes.

Thats the beuty of EVE, its gang game, if your alone your vulnerable.

And who says, level 4 missions are designed to solo ?

It just happens some people have the skills, and the isk to buy the good equipment, thats how they do it, i can solo levl 4 missions in a HAC, it shouldnt be so.

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Originally by: Corey Grim

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example:

megathron slots are: 8/4/7
+dronebay
taranis slots are: 4/3/3
+u have use one med slot to Ab/mwd

AND U R TELLING ME U HAVE DIFFICULTIES AGAINST FRIGS

couple of points: there is no counter module to counter: webs, nosses, smartbombs.
There is counter module to frigates most deadly weapon: warp scrambler/disruptor (WCS).

oh offcourse if u fit against frig¦s u are not so effective against other BS... BUT that other bs is vulnerable to frigs

balancing? yes frig pilots need module that fits into low slot and gives 50% reduction against webifiers (so ur 90% web is 40% web if that frig guy have that module fitted)

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